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		<title>By: Celeste</title>
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		<dc:creator>Celeste</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Nov 2009 13:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In the midst of all of this, is that we are &quot;over-diagnosing&quot; breast cancers.  That some of those found will involute and never prove to be a clinical problem.

Great.  The body is a complex and wondrous thing and is, when working appropriately designed to stop cancers before they become a problem.  But, do we mere mortals have any means to determine which cancers will be clinically unimportant and which WILL go on to become a huge problem, potentially a terminal problem.  (Silence).  Exactly.

In general, breast cancer in younger women tends to be more aggressive.  It is also harder to diagnose via mammogram because of the increased density of the younger breast.  Still....just because it is harder doesn&#039;t mean that one shouldn&#039;t look.

Congrats and long health to Amanda!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In the midst of all of this, is that we are &#8220;over-diagnosing&#8221; breast cancers.  That some of those found will involute and never prove to be a clinical problem.</p>
<p>Great.  The body is a complex and wondrous thing and is, when working appropriately designed to stop cancers before they become a problem.  But, do we mere mortals have any means to determine which cancers will be clinically unimportant and which WILL go on to become a huge problem, potentially a terminal problem.  (Silence).  Exactly.</p>
<p>In general, breast cancer in younger women tends to be more aggressive.  It is also harder to diagnose via mammogram because of the increased density of the younger breast.  Still&#8230;.just because it is harder doesn&#8217;t mean that one shouldn&#8217;t look.</p>
<p>Congrats and long health to Amanda!</p>
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		<title>By: Les</title>
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		<dc:creator>Les</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Nov 2009 04:20:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was shocked when I heard this.  I really don&#039;t care what the percentage is, the fact that mammograms and self exams help women find cancers at all is reason enough in my book to continue having them done on an annual basis.  I have seen that the American Cancer Society is recommending keeping  the current standards of an annual mammogram and doing regular self-exams.  Having had two &quot;suspicious&quot; lumps biopsied over the years I can tell you it&#039;s no trot in the park, but it&#039;s less anxiety producing than not being allowed to be tested and not knowing, but worrying anway.  50 is too old to start mammograms.  Many, many women will die and some of those who are diagnosed will cost much, much more to treat because their illness will not have been caught in a timely fashion.  These recommendations are a slap in women&#039;s faces.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was shocked when I heard this.  I really don&#8217;t care what the percentage is, the fact that mammograms and self exams help women find cancers at all is reason enough in my book to continue having them done on an annual basis.  I have seen that the American Cancer Society is recommending keeping  the current standards of an annual mammogram and doing regular self-exams.  Having had two &#8220;suspicious&#8221; lumps biopsied over the years I can tell you it&#8217;s no trot in the park, but it&#8217;s less anxiety producing than not being allowed to be tested and not knowing, but worrying anway.  50 is too old to start mammograms.  Many, many women will die and some of those who are diagnosed will cost much, much more to treat because their illness will not have been caught in a timely fashion.  These recommendations are a slap in women&#8217;s faces.</p>
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		<title>By: Jenn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jenn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:36:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>incomprehensible that we should not know our own bodies inside and out...  WITH the support of the medical community (it&#039;s supposed to be HEALTH care, not SICK care)...  

BTW my sister was diagnosed-- at age 40 with Stage I breast cancer-- she found a lump, had it biopsied, removed, radiation, chemo, the works.  Then three years later diagnosed with Stage IV (they hadn&#039;t gotten it all apparently).  And now, 4 years later she&#039;s gone back to work at the airlines because she can&#039;t afford to not work, AND have health insurance.  She is doing great, but seriously she doesn&#039;t have the same kind of energy she had before... but I digress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>incomprehensible that we should not know our own bodies inside and out&#8230;  WITH the support of the medical community (it&#8217;s supposed to be HEALTH care, not SICK care)&#8230;  </p>
<p>BTW my sister was diagnosed&#8211; at age 40 with Stage I breast cancer&#8211; she found a lump, had it biopsied, removed, radiation, chemo, the works.  Then three years later diagnosed with Stage IV (they hadn&#8217;t gotten it all apparently).  And now, 4 years later she&#8217;s gone back to work at the airlines because she can&#8217;t afford to not work, AND have health insurance.  She is doing great, but seriously she doesn&#8217;t have the same kind of energy she had before&#8230; but I digress.</p>
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		<title>By: ~annie</title>
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		<dc:creator>~annie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 17:29:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No way I&#039;m NOT going to self examine. My gyn barely looks at my breasts, let alone doing a thorough CBE. I don&#039;t see how early detection could possibly be undesirable or detrimental.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No way I&#8217;m NOT going to self examine. My gyn barely looks at my breasts, let alone doing a thorough CBE. I don&#8217;t see how early detection could possibly be undesirable or detrimental.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert K</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert K</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 15:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>FWIW, here&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/uspstf09/breastcancer/brcanrs.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;the original statement from the USPSTF&lt;/a&gt;.  And here are &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/uspstfab.htm#Members&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;members of the USPSTF&lt;/a&gt;.

In reading the report, I&#039;m struck by a couple of things ...

I can buy the argument that there are certain risks to over-diagnoses.  Specifically, that false-positives lead to unnecessary biopsies.  I&#039;m assuming there&#039;s some harm that may result from those biopsies, but &#039;not sure what exactly.  I don&#039;t see unnecessary anxiety as a real (or at least quantifiable) harm.

The recommendation against Breast Self Exams (BSE) surprised me as well.  The rational for that is that research shows that BSEs are only 12-41% reliable in detecting a positive result (cancer). Clinical Breast Exams (CBE) are significantly better, at 40-69%.  In that light, the recommendation kind of makes sense - women may incorrectly rely on their self-exams and, thus, not go in for a more reliable test.  Or, at least, that&#039;s the only explanation I can come up with for this recommendation.

The report says, &quot;biennial screening produced 70% to 99% of the benefit of annual screening.&quot;  So... if it&#039;s 99%, I&#039;m totally on board with the recommendation to reduce testing to every 24 months.  But if it&#039;s 70%, sorry, get tested every 12 months.  I.e. this seems a poor basis for making the biennial screening recommendation.

Overall, the report is certainly an interesting (if slightly technical) read.  I&#039;m certainly much less critical of the recommendations having read it than I was before.  However I do think they could have gone a different direction, such as recommending better BSE/CSE education and training to help improve the reliability of these tests, rather than doing away with them altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FWIW, here&#8217;s <a href="http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/uspstf09/breastcancer/brcanrs.htm" rel="nofollow">the original statement from the USPSTF</a>.  And here are <a href="http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/uspstfab.htm#Members" rel="nofollow">members of the USPSTF</a>.</p>
<p>In reading the report, I&#8217;m struck by a couple of things &#8230;</p>
<p>I can buy the argument that there are certain risks to over-diagnoses.  Specifically, that false-positives lead to unnecessary biopsies.  I&#8217;m assuming there&#8217;s some harm that may result from those biopsies, but &#8216;not sure what exactly.  I don&#8217;t see unnecessary anxiety as a real (or at least quantifiable) harm.</p>
<p>The recommendation against Breast Self Exams (BSE) surprised me as well.  The rational for that is that research shows that BSEs are only 12-41% reliable in detecting a positive result (cancer). Clinical Breast Exams (CBE) are significantly better, at 40-69%.  In that light, the recommendation kind of makes sense &#8211; women may incorrectly rely on their self-exams and, thus, not go in for a more reliable test.  Or, at least, that&#8217;s the only explanation I can come up with for this recommendation.</p>
<p>The report says, &#8220;biennial screening produced 70% to 99% of the benefit of annual screening.&#8221;  So&#8230; if it&#8217;s 99%, I&#8217;m totally on board with the recommendation to reduce testing to every 24 months.  But if it&#8217;s 70%, sorry, get tested every 12 months.  I.e. this seems a poor basis for making the biennial screening recommendation.</p>
<p>Overall, the report is certainly an interesting (if slightly technical) read.  I&#8217;m certainly much less critical of the recommendations having read it than I was before.  However I do think they could have gone a different direction, such as recommending better BSE/CSE education and training to help improve the reliability of these tests, rather than doing away with them altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: Melanie @ Mel, A Dramatic Mommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melanie @ Mel, A Dramatic Mommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 07:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The part about self exams is crap. How many times have we read a woman&#039;s story and she mentions finding something abnormal while in the shower? 

As for mammograms, I&#039;m trying to educate myself on the idea that exposure to radiation increases the risks. I&#039;ve had a mammogram and an ultrasound and both eased my mind tremendously.

I don&#039;t think you&#039;re grasping at straws to wonder if money is at the center of this somehow. I&#039;m taking my video camer with me on the 3 day and plan to ask others what their feelings are too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The part about self exams is crap. How many times have we read a woman&#8217;s story and she mentions finding something abnormal while in the shower? </p>
<p>As for mammograms, I&#8217;m trying to educate myself on the idea that exposure to radiation increases the risks. I&#8217;ve had a mammogram and an ultrasound and both eased my mind tremendously.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re grasping at straws to wonder if money is at the center of this somehow. I&#8217;m taking my video camer with me on the 3 day and plan to ask others what their feelings are too.</p>
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		<title>By: phd in yogurtry</title>
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		<dc:creator>phd in yogurtry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:58:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My curiosity about these new recommendations borders on suspicious.  About money, too.  Wondering who funded this research.  

The part about no self-exams?  WTF?  What harm does this do?  Are there women jamming doctor&#039;s offices with false lump detection syndrome?  

And how would a woman discover a lump, otherwise?  Wait for her man to feel it?  Was this a panel of men making this new recommendation?  I really do not get this part, at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My curiosity about these new recommendations borders on suspicious.  About money, too.  Wondering who funded this research.  </p>
<p>The part about no self-exams?  WTF?  What harm does this do?  Are there women jamming doctor&#8217;s offices with false lump detection syndrome?  </p>
<p>And how would a woman discover a lump, otherwise?  Wait for her man to feel it?  Was this a panel of men making this new recommendation?  I really do not get this part, at all.</p>
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		<title>By: mike</title>
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		<dc:creator>mike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>finally, a policy we agree against!  :)  

two of my mentors quoted here, like everyone else I know in the biz, in total shock.... drs. poller and keenan quoted within are personal friends and mentors:

http://www.postgazette.com/pg/09322/1014306-455.stm

although, i do blame your a&#039;changin&#039; prezident...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704204304574543721253688720.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>finally, a policy we agree against!  <img src='http://www.aarynbelfer.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   </p>
<p>two of my mentors quoted here, like everyone else I know in the biz, in total shock&#8230;. drs. poller and keenan quoted within are personal friends and mentors:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.postgazette.com/pg/09322/1014306-455.stm" rel="nofollow">http://www.postgazette.com/pg/09322/1014306-455.stm</a></p>
<p>although, i do blame your a&#8217;changin&#8217; prezident&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704204304574543721253688720.html" rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704204304574543721253688720.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: MidLifeMama</title>
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		<dc:creator>MidLifeMama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Nov 2009 02:25:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just posted about this on my own blog. It is nauseatingly negligent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just posted about this on my own blog. It is nauseatingly negligent.</p>
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		<title>By: bonzize</title>
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		<dc:creator>bonzize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 22:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of my six dear sisters was diagnosed with a Her2Nu tumor when she was 46. She had mentioned the lump to a very experienced surgeon who told her it was nothing and that she shouldn&#039;t panic everytime she felt something in her breast (she had two previous biopsies that were benign). But when it showed up during a screen mammogram, and removed surgically, it was cancer. Imagine if she had not known how to find lumps, or that no one had sent her for a screening mammogram before she was fifty. Imagine if she had listened to the very experienced surgeon. She would be dead. Thank DOG for mammograms and BSE.

xoxo, yfgm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of my six dear sisters was diagnosed with a Her2Nu tumor when she was 46. She had mentioned the lump to a very experienced surgeon who told her it was nothing and that she shouldn&#8217;t panic everytime she felt something in her breast (she had two previous biopsies that were benign). But when it showed up during a screen mammogram, and removed surgically, it was cancer. Imagine if she had not known how to find lumps, or that no one had sent her for a screening mammogram before she was fifty. Imagine if she had listened to the very experienced surgeon. She would be dead. Thank DOG for mammograms and BSE.</p>
<p>xoxo, yfgm</p>
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